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The consciousness ghost in the quantum machine | Scott Aaronson and Lex Fridman

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mean it's almost tautologically true that if we had a machine that passed the Turing test, then it would be emulating consciousness.", 'start': 54.691, 'duration': 7.022}, {'end': 67.538, 'text': 'So if your position is that emulation of consciousness is consciousness,', 'start': 62.974, 'duration': 4.564}, {'end': 72.503, 'text': 'then by definition any machine that passed the Turing test would be conscious.', 'start': 67.538, 'duration': 4.965}, {'end': 79.57, 'text': 'But you could say that that is just a way to rephrase the original question.', 'start': 73.044, 'duration': 6.526}], 'summary': 'Discussion on the turing test and consciousness in relation to machines, with emphasis on emulation of consciousness and passing the turing test.', 'duration': 76.486, 'max_score': 3.084, 'thumbnail': 'https://coursnap.oss-ap-southeast-1.aliyuncs.com/video-capture/NSaeHhdXTY0/pics/NSaeHhdXTY03084.jpg'}, {'end': 279.807, 'src': 'embed', 'start': 227.123, 'weight': 3, 'content': [{'end': 233.768, 'text': 'Because I think that If consciousness means anything, it is something that is experienced by the entity that is conscious.', 'start': 227.123, 'duration': 6.645}, {'end': 242.637, 'text': "I don't need you to tell me that I'm conscious, nor do you need me to tell you that you are.", 'start': 234.149, 'duration': 8.488}, {'end': 255.792, 'text': 'But basically what I explored there is are there aspects of a system like a brain that just could not be predicted,', 'start': 245.219, 'duration': 10.573}, {'end': 258.795, 'text': 'even with arbitrarily advanced future technologies?', 'start': 255.792, 'duration': 3.003}, {'end': 263.161, 'text': "It's because of chaos combined with quantum mechanical uncertainty.", 'start': 259.216, 'duration': 3.945}, {'end': 264.441, 'text': 'and things like that.', 'start': 263.721, 'duration': 0.72}, {'end': 269.843, 'text': 'I mean that actually could be a property of the brain.', 'start': 264.461, 'duration': 5.382}, {'end': 278.207, 'text': 'if true, that would distinguish it in a principled way at least from any currently existing computer, not from any possible computer, but from yeah,', 'start': 269.843, 'duration': 8.364}, {'end': 278.347, 'text': 'yeah.', 'start': 278.207, 'duration': 0.14}, {'end': 279.807, 'text': "Let's do a thought experiment.", 'start': 278.647, 'duration': 1.16}], 'summary': 'Exploring unpredictable aspects of the brain due to chaos and quantum uncertainty.', 'duration': 52.684, 'max_score': 227.123, 'thumbnail': 'https://coursnap.oss-ap-southeast-1.aliyuncs.com/video-capture/NSaeHhdXTY0/pics/NSaeHhdXTY0227123.jpg'}, {'end': 384.46, 'src': 'embed', 'start': 351.583, 'weight': 5, 'content': [{'end': 354.805, 'text': 'but I think it really would destroy my sense of having free will.', 'start': 351.583, 'duration': 3.222}, {'end': 361.028, 'text': 'And much, much more than any philosophical conversation could possibly do that.', 'start': 355.605, 'duration': 5.423}, {'end': 370.15, 'text': 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